My twenty-three year old daughter was home for the holidays. Hard as it is to believe, my “baby” is now a college graduate. Of course the start of a new decade left me thinking about the technological changes that have occurred over the span of a decade – and how they’ve impacted her life and my business.

Alyssa was raised with a computer. She used to come with me to my computer school and help teach the children’s classes. We were the first house on the block to have Internet access and Alyssa took advantage of my expertise when it came to mastering Word, Excel and Power Point.

My two daughters are only four years apart in age, yet I saw a tremendous difference between their generations. When Andrea departed for college at the start of the millennium it took a mini-van filled to overflowing to carry her “necessities.” Her possessions included a stereo, television, desktop computer, digital camera, photo albums and a huge box of cables including one for the dorm’s Ethernet connection. Alyssa arrived on campus four years later carrying only an IPod, I-phone, Mac book and a couple of power cords.

Alyssa is a card-carrying member of the 70 million strong “Generation Y.” Although they travel light they have access to a never-ending source of media which they expect to access immediately, anytime, anywhere.

ACT 2010 now includes links to various social networking sites including Facebook and LinkedIn. I was surprised to learn that many of my clients weren’t as excited about this new development as I was. “Don’t use Linked In,” huffed one person. “Facebook is for kids,” snapped another. These folks obviously assume that the people they encounter in the business world think the same way they do. Unfortunately, they don’t.

I’ve identified ten areas of communication that have changed over the course of the last ten years, at least if you’re a member of Generation Y. And, like it or not, if they want your business to survive you’ll have to adjust to those changes.

  1. Land lines: For Generation Y, land lines are a thing of the past. If they do talk on the phone they do it via a cell phone which has become a permanent appendage. More than 23% of homes currently lack land lines – and the number is going up all the time.
  2. Newspaper Classifieds: I’m a firm believer that if radio killed the video star then Craig’s List surely killed the newspapers and put most forms of print media in jeopardy of extinction. Morning papers and TV news have been replaced by online media sources.
  3. Dial Up Connections: Your first Internet connection was probably a dial-up. Today’s generation wants instant gratification and finds it at home, on their phone and even at the local McDonalds. And your site had better have the bandwidth and design to enable quick page viewing!
  4. Books: I’m an author so this one really pains me. Books are expense to produce – and purchase. They take space to store. Gen Y does their research over the Internet and downloads their reading material to their Kindle. Students can even download textbooks at sites like Coursesmart.com.
  5. CD’s: Whoosh. Now you see them, now you don’t. Faster than you can say “download” the CD has been replaced by YouTube, ITunes and a variety of other sites that allow media downloads.
  6. Film cameras and prints: Even if you could buy one, you’d have a hard time finding a place to process your film. Gen Y has thousands of pictures residing on their cell phones, computers and Face Book pages. And can access millions more on the Internet. A single image is no longer enough to speak a thousand words.
  7. Yellow pages: Ironically, the only people using the Yellow Pages these days are aging Baby Boomers who probably lack the eyesight to read them anyway.
  8. Faxing: If they don’t have land lines, why in the world would a Generation Y’er have a fax line?
  9. E-mail: If you think you’re reaching your target audience via e-mail alone, think again. Generation Y is so mobile that even e-mail can’t keep pace with them. they’re using Face Book and Twitter to communicate.
  10. Cell Phones: Buh-bye cell, hello smart – at least when it comes to phones. Gen Y doesn’t have to sit at a desk or be tied to a computer to access information; they carry a wealth of information in the palm of their hands.

Of course, you don’t have to reach out to Generation Y. You could market only to people who think – and communicate – the way you do. Unfortunately, that idea makes the somewhat flawed assumption that those people will still be around at the end of the next decade!

Karen Fredricks
blog@techbenders.com
www.techbenders.com

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This article is for those of you who feel they are totally “computer-challenged,” are short on time or just don’t have the desire to monkey under the ACT! hood.

It’s Time to Wave the White Flag

Sometimes, despite your best efforts, you are just not capable of fixing a problem on your own.  This could be because you don’t have the time to both troubleshoot and resolve your computer-related problems and run your business.  Maybe some of the solutions you researched sounded like they were written in Greek rather than in English.  Once you’ve come to the realization that you’re going to have to call in the reinforcements here are the best places to look for help:

ACT! Tech Support:  ACT! comes with 30 days of free technical support starting from the time you make your first support call.  After that, there is a fee for technical support.  Like I say when I hit a tennis ball off of the frame of my racket – I paid for it, I may as well use it!

An ACT! Certified Consultant (ACC):  When you call ACT!’s technical support line, chances are slim that you’ll speak to the same technician twice.  Without Corporate Edge Support Contract, you’ll most likely end up in an off-shore call center.   For that reason, many users seek out the help of an ACC.  ACC’s have received specialized training in ACT! and are required to stay abreast with all the latest developments in the ACT! world.  Because most ACC’s work with a large number of ACT! users, they are very adept in helping you to customize your database – something that ACT!’s technical support personnel won’t be able to do.

The Wrong Places to Find Help

Now that you know where to seek out expert advice, here are a few people you should stay away from at all costs.  These people are generally terrific human beings, but tend to be lousy ACT! consultants:

Your IT person:  Although your IT person is loyal, trusted and very adept in what he does, it is impossible to learn ACT! by “osmosis.”  Most IT people tend to underestimate ACT!’s power – or overestimate their own knowledge.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing – especially when it applies to ACT!.  Since you are presumably paying the IT person by the hour, on the job training becomes an extremely expensive proposition.    They may charge less per hour than an ACT! Certified Consultant, but they typically take longer to solve ACT! related issues.

Your local computer store:  Very often your neighborhood computer store provides ACT! trining and support.  Unfortunately, chances are pretty good that the technician is only one chapter ahead of you in the Dummies book.  Worst of all, some of these “geeks” actually pass along misinformation which will further complicate your issue.

The person who’s been “using ACT! for 10 years”:  You don’t become an ACT! expert simply by using the program.  Unless you are a full-time ACT! consultant, you’re probably only familiar with the parts of ACT! that you use regularly.  Faithful ACT! users generally make the mistake of thinking that all versions of ACT! are created equally; believe me, they’re not!

Yourself, especially when you’re frustrated!  Enough said!

Time to Cut Bait

Not all technicians are created equally.  If you have a gut feeling that your technician isn’t up to the challenge, chances are good that your instinct is correct.  Don’t be afraid to politely extricate yourself from the phone call and try again with another technician.

There are a few warning signs that just might set off a red light in your head:

You are frequently put on hold:  Most tech support has three “tiers” of support.  You’re being put on hold while your Tier One technician researches the issue.  Ask to have your problem escalated (Tier Two) or ask to speak to a supervisor (Tier Three).

You don’t understand a darn thing they’re saying:  There might be an insurmountable language barrier between you and the technician.  Maybe you both speak different native languages, or maybe his “geek speak” is so strong that you can’t understand him.

You seem to be going in circles:  Very often the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.  If you seem to be repeating the same instructions again and again, it’s time to terminate the call.

Understanding the Meaning of “Support”

Once you’ve contacted either technical support or an ACT! Certified consultant, you should soon be on the road to recovery.  Hopefully, your problem will be fixed in a jiffy.  If you are working with technical support, however, you’ll need to understand the true meaning of the word “support”:

We don’t support this:   This stock phrase implies that the technician is either unwilling or unable to help you with your specific problem.  It does not mean that someone else might not be able to fix your problem, or that the problem is based on a limitation of the ACT! program.  For example, users of ACT! 2006 and Terminal Services were told by tech support that “ACT! doesn’t support this feature.”  What they meant is that although ACT! works with Terminal Services, they didn’t have enough knowledge to actually support it.

Support is not the same thing as training:  Like just about everything else in life, technical support has become highly specialized.  They will be able to help you with issues such as installing the software or getting your e-mail to work.  They won’t be able to help you to determine why you might want to add new fields to your database or various ways to send out an e-mail blast.

The Care and Feeding of an Outside Consultant

So, now that you’ve waved the white flag and called in the troops – or at least an ACT! consultant – you’ll want to get the most bang for your buck.  Here’s a few tips on how to work with the consultant so that your frustration level and consulting fee, remain as low as possible.

What you should not do, quite simply, is to waste anyone’s time discussing anything that won’t get the problem fixed.  The more you say, the more you risk confusing, or insulting the technician.  Remember, the clock is running.  Under no circumstances should you:

  • Bash the Program
  • Bash the Techie
  • Belly ache about the price
  • Curse, swear or make references to the Techie’s Mother
  • Jump ahead of the technician
  • Ignore the technician’s instructions
  • Assume that if the technician is a non-native English speaker that he is hard of hearing
  • Assume that if the technician is a non-native English speaker that he is dumb
  • Refuse to try something that the technician suggests

Finally, here are a few things that you should do to make your experience with the consultant as painless as possible:

  • Trust that the consultant knows what he is doing.
  • Listen to instructions.  If you’re not sure about an instruction, ask that it be repeated.
  • Avoid the urge to jump ahead of the consultant.
  • Keep an Open Mind.

Although good help may be hard to find, believe me, it’s out there!  Don’t give up until you’ve found the perfect solution.  I recently had a client who spent more than a week trying to share an ACT! 2010 on their network.  They were told by Technical Support that the ACT! database had to be located in the My Document folder on a Windows server in order for it to be shared.   It took more time to convince the client that Tech Support was wrong than it did to make the database sharable from an ACT! directory on the server.   There are two lessons here:   (1) You get what you pay for; (2) Price and Cost are two different things since lower priced products and services often cost more in the long run.

To find an ACT! Certified Consultant near you, please visit http://www.act.com/partners/acc/find/index.cfm

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Hi. My name is Karen, and I am addicted to online shopping. There, I’ve said it so I’m now on my road to recovery. I love the fact that I can go online and, in a matter of minutes, send a last minute gift to my cousin in Des Moines complete with card and gift wrap. As an added bonus I can spend a moment or two to do a bit of comparison shopping and then fill in my credit card information faster than you can say “Google Toolbar.”

One of my favorite sites is Amazon. It’s definitely my site of choice for book shopping. I started using their “Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought” section years ago and have discovered some great reads that I might have otherwise missed. Throw in free shipping – and the fact that they carry all of my books – and I’m indeed in Shoppers Nirvana.

However, as much as I love Amazon I’ve come to hate – or at least be very wary of – their review process when it came to items other than books. In case you’re not familiar with Amazon virtually anyone can offer a review of a product and assign a ranking based on a 5 star system. And of course the more people who assign a product a low ranking, the worse the product will appear in the minds of a potential buyer.

I’m not one to post reviews but I purchased a Canon wireless printer last year for my home and really love it. I’ve had numerous printers over the years including an Okidata dot matrix and an HP laser that could double as a tree anchor during hurricane season. Never had a Canon but tried this one because the features – and price – were right. I got it to work with everyone of our computers in minutes including machines using Win 7, Vista and XP. Even got my daughter’s Mac book to work on it. I headed to Amazon and was stopped dead in my tracks by the venomous reviews posted there.

Yikes! If I had read those reviews first I would never have purchased my beloved printer.
I started by reading some of the 1 star reviews. Most of them were quite short and many weren’t about the printer itself. For example, can you really hold Canon responsible if there is a delay in Amazon’s shipping, or the package arrived damaged by UPS? The 5 star reviews were much longer; some of these reviewers might consider a career as e-book authors. One common theme I noticed in the 5 star ratings was reference to the Quick Start guide. Funnily enough, I didn’t see that reference in any of the 1 star ratings!

This got me to thinking – who exactly is posting these reviews? What is prompting them? And most importantly, which ones should I believe? If I were looking for a new car I’d probably take a look at Road and Track. Software and hardware? PC Magazine or PC World work for me. And, by the way, they both agreed with my assessment of my new printer. I’ve decided to stick with Amazon for their book reviews but leave other reviews to the experts!

Karen Fredricks
CRM Author, Trainer and Consultant
blog@techbenders.com
www.techbenders.com

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Many ACT! users like to view their contacts in “last name, first name” format.  They want their phones to display contacts in the same format.

The new Android-based phones (like Droid, Nexus One, CLIQ, etc.) don’t do this.  They combine first name and last name into one “Name” field.

Here’s how to fix that and view your contacts by last name on Android devices.

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In the late 80s, I was Regional Sales Manager for a national database company that sold business intelligence and mailing lists primarily through onsite seminars and inbound marketing (pre-Internet marketing!)

The company invested more than $50,000 in a contact management system that was programmed to spit out follow-up drip marketing letters every 7 days once a prospect identified himself. 

The daily routine worked like this: Arrive at the office. Grab coffee. Data enter all the contacts we didn’t have time to enter yesterday. Code them by product interest (Check out my blog post on the 14 Ways To Segment Your Database – Part 1 and Part 2). 

Hand off our notes and slips of paper with only partial contact info to our Admin who looked up missing info in the phone book. Next we’d press the “today’s letters” button on the computer keyboard. Kerchunk! Kerchunk! Kerchunk! The CRM software queued up the three-tray printer with… [click to continue…]

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Follow Up – Just Do IT

by Ingo Lange on December 21, 2009

 You’ve just returned from a successful tradeshow – unlike previous trips, you’re not returning with a stack of business cards, scribbled with hand written notes. No, this time you used ACT! and Scan IT to capture your business card sales leads. So, now that you have all these new prospects captured and recorded in ACT! what do you do?  The next step in the cycle is one that many fear – the follow up.

Sales leads are dead within 72 hours. Following up with all of your prospects immediately, no matter how quick or simple the message, is essential to building a relationship. Don’t be duped into thinking you know which of your leads will be a ‘real’ sale and which of them may just be ‘window shopping’ – every lead most be followed up on. Many believe that sales follow up is dirty work – it’s tedious, time consuming, and boring – however, it doesn’t have to be. With a few adjustments and additions, sales follow up can be easy, simple and quick – bringing you closer to what we all want – closing the sale!

There are  three ways to follow up on sales leads. Each method has options to make it less stressful.

  • Email: This is perhaps the quickest, easiest way to follow up with a large group of leads. A short, generic note sent to a group of leads can get the job done. Outreach IT for ACT! allows you to send templated emails to ACT! contacts or groups.
  • Phone: The most personal of all follow up options. A simple follow up script – :30 to a minute – can be very effective. Utilizing Dial IT for ACT! will greatly increase your call completion ratio, as well as give you a chance to associate the history and any notes from the call with the contact.
  • Print: A very impressive method (as most choose not to go this route). ACT! has a library of templates available for this very purpose and a creative, signed letter can go a long way with a prospect.

Each one of these options has their positives and negatives – if possible, a combination of all three is the best option. At the end of the day (literally, by the end of your first day back from your tradeshow) make sure you choose at least one option and just do it.

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Problems with CRM Systems

by Ingo Lange on December 17, 2009

That CRM projects are successful and remain successful, depends greatly on the CRM users in the enterprise. This is a well-known wisdom.
Especially in the daily business a CRM solution has to prove itself – and failes much too often.
Contact details are recorded in its sole discretion, opportunities are assed with a high degree of subjectivity and imagination and so the work with the CRM system does not make much sense and the main idea of a CRM system fails due to a missing of the CRM success.

The additional work with the system produces no benefit for the individual user – the user feels only as data collector. Furthermore many user have fear – especially in the distribution section – to be controlled and / or to surrender their own knowledge. These two facts do not conducive their enthusiasm when it comes to CRM. For them the benefits of CRM don’t seem significantly greater than the investment of time and effort required to use the system each day.

CRM is what it is and it can be useful to sales people. The problem isn’t with the solution; it’s with the packaging. So the question is what can we do to make it more ‘tasty’ to our sales people?

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I´m sure this is a well-known scenario for you as well:
As an exhibitor you were successful at the trade fair and you had many interesting contacts. The moment you are back in the office, the daily business has caught up with you again.
Your folder with the contacts you met on the trade will stay in the corner, because you have no time to follow-up with them.

The reworking of the trade is just as important as the trade itself

You are sitting in your office, your desk littered with hundreds of contact forms which you should manually enter into your ACT! database. For this you need hours, if you assume that each contact takes around 12 minutes of your time, which means on one day you would create just 40 contacts – and that only if you would concentrate only on this task. That is a whole day when you can not deal with your normal business activities.

Just compare right now

Time effort without Scan IT with Scan IT
Before the trade Draft of the contact form
á 1 hoursPrint of the form
á 1 hours
not applicable
During the trade time-consuming filling
of the form
á ~ 4 minutes per contact
Scanning,
Creating a History & Activity
~ 1 minute per contact
After the trade Manual entry á ~ 12 minutes per contact not applicable, ⇒ instead:
professional and prompt contact management with trade show contacts
Conclusion
~ 16 minutes/contact

~ 1 minute/Contact

With a single mouse-click into your database

With Scan IT this belongs to the past.
Already during the trade you can now scan the business card of your conversation partner into your database and additionaly add all the essential content as history – all while you are talking to your potential customer!

In seconds you can create more contacts with Scan IT, as you can type in hours! Time-consuming, manual entry of contact details was yesterday! Typos are excluded and Scan IT automatically checkes for duplicates, with the option to update them.

After the trade, when normally the collected contact forms / business cards are stacked on your desktop, you have the time to professionally and promptly follow up with your trade contacts – first come, first served!

You see – this investment pays off in no time!

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I tend to reflect on the past year each December and to look forward to an
even better next year (that way, I’m free to relax on December 31).  What
went well, this year and where I can improve my business practice next year.
Since I use ACT! 2010 software to manage my relationships, calendar and
activities,  I think of ways to better use the software. 

Here’s my “top ten” for next year (starting today!):

  1. Clean out my old contacts. I have over 4200 names in my database, many
    are no longer valid.  I use $120 Duplicate Record Removal Software to merge
    the duplicates.
  2. Clean out my unused Groups. Groups have a life of their own – I should
    delete the ones I don’t use.
  3. Stay in touch with the people you do business with by sending newsletters
    on a regular basis.  I do :-)
  4. Clean the antiques out of my task list. There are tasks from over a year
    ago that I’ll never get to.
  5. Stop rolling over my calls, to-dos and meetings (I don’t currently
    roll-over activities, and neither should you!).
  6. Call one day ahead of time to confirm all my appointments (Not really an
    “ACT!” thing, but I’m going to do it anyway).
  7. When someone hands me a business card, I will write a few words on the
    card to remind me about this person (How many times have you looked at a
    card and not remembered who the person is, or where you met?).
  8. I will put every business card I have in ACT! (Why leave it to mold on my
    desk?)
  9. When I make an unscheduled call I will ALWAYS record it in ACT!  (And
    schedule a follow-up.)
  10. When I clear an activity I will ALWAYS schedule a follow up call.

Does you have any tips they’d like to share?

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As a Customer Relationship Management Consultant who provides software solutions using ACT!, Sage CRM and SalesLogix, I compete with Salesforce.com.  While I think their solution can be a good fit for company’s with limited capital, those that lack a network infrastructure or IT support or have disparate workers, what I find disappointing is they disparage the competition rather than focusing on their strengths.  I have heard many of the negative and/or erroneous statements they make from prospects as well as read the competitive emails they send to prospects.  Call me old school, but that’s not the way I sell. 

So how and why does ACT! 2010 software compete with Salesforce.com?

Pricing
First let’s look at the Salesforce.com editions that compete with ACT!

Contact Manager Edition – priced at $9 per person per month. Supports a maximum of 2 users. Provides contact and lead management, and integration with Outlook / Google Mail. 
Group Edition – priced at $35 per person per month. Supports a maximum of 5 users. Provides same capabilities as Contact Manager plus opportunity management, Google Ad Words integration and basic case
management.
Professional Edition – Priced at $65 per person per month. No limit on the number users. Similar capabilities to Group Edition plus extended marketing and customer service capabilities, as well as analytical dashboards.

ACT by Sage 2010 – Priced at $199 per person with optional annual ACT! Platinum Care subscription for free annual upgrades at $59 per person.   Limited to 10 users.  Has same features as the Premium and Corporate editions except for the following licenses or features:  no ACT! for Web license, Dashboard views by team, enhanced remote synchronization services, activity reports by user,  secured contacts, notes, history and opportunities and no field level,  group and company record security.
ACT by Sage 2010 Premium – Priced at $369 per person with optional annual ACT! Platinum Care subscription for free annual upgrades at $114 per person.   Generally limited to 30 users.  Has same features as the  Corporate editions except for the lack of ACT! for Web licenses.
ACT by Sage 2010 Corporate - The SQL Express edition is priced at $399 per person with optional annual ACT! Platinum Care subscription for free annual upgrades at $114 per person and is generally limited to 30 users.   The SQL Server 2008 edition is priced at $479 per person with optional annual ACT! Platinum Care subscription for free annual upgrades at $164 per person and is scalable to 100’s of users.  The Corporate edition is our most scalable solution.

Feature Comparison

  1. ACT! provides considerable ease-of-use advantages over Salesforce.com when it comes to accomplishing simple tasks such as:

• Lookups
• Searches
• Working with groups
• Mail merges
• Personalization
• Contextual right-clicks
• Pick lists and data quality
• Duplicate checking
• Offline

  1. Salesforce.com costs 2.5 times more than ACT! after 3 years  1
  2. Despite what they say, software must be installed on your computer to use Salesforce.com with Microsoft Word or Outlook
  3. Sending a letter in Salesforce.com takes 17 clicks – in ACT! 2010 it’s a 2 click process
  4. Salesforce.com Professional offers limited email broadcasting – only 500 per day per user. With ACT! E-Marketing, you can send up to 100,000 per day 2
  5. ACT! offers complete full online and offline access to data
  6. ACT! can be installed on a PC, Network, Web, Terminal and/or Citrix Server for whatever type of access you prefer
  7. Recent Keystroke Level Modeling (KLM)* testing carried out under lab conditions has revealed that it takes 37% longer on average to complete a range of common user tasks in Salesforce.com compared to ACT! 2010
    REMEMBER:  Usability drives user adoption and ultimately determines the overall success of a CRM project
  8. Contact Manager Edition Weaknesses
    •  Limited to 2 users
    •  No offline option
    •  No dashboards, email marketing, list management or opportunity management
  9. Group Edition Weaknesses
    •  Limited to 5 users
    •  No offline option
    •  No email marketing or list management
    •  Significant upgrade cost to add a 6th user or more since you have to upgrade to the Professional Edition.  Essentially, you’ll go from $35 per user per month to the $65.00 per user per month—that’s an 86% increase.  
  10. Professional Edition Weaknesses
    •  Significant higher Total Cost of Ownership over the lifetime of the system
    •  Offline access is significant extra cost.
    •  Storage allocation is very low for the price

Salesforce.com Gotcha’s
According to research conducted by Sage Software, storage allocations are very storage is extremely expensive ($3000 per additional GB of storage space) and is not available as an option in the Contact Manager Editions.
Offline access is not available in lower editions and is only available at a significant extra cost in the Professional Edition.
The Master Subscription Agreement with Salesforce.com controls customer data access – that’s your data they’re holding!

Here are some other observations:

  1. Without express, prior approval from a senior Salesforce.com executive, all subscriptions must be paid in advance for a minimum of 1 year generally, and the average contract term is now 2 or 3 years.
  2. They reserve the right to modify its fees and charges and introduce new charges at any time.
  3. Companies are deemed to have accepted Salesforce.com’s terms and conditions when they click on the ‘I agree’ button during sign up to a trial subscription.
  4. Your contract is automatically renew for the same period again unless the customer expressly notifies Salesforce.com of its intention to discontinue the service.
  5. If a you don’t cancel in time, it will be liable for the full cost of the renewed contract.
  6. Salesforce.com subscriptions number cannot be reduced in number until the expiry of the contract period.
  7. Salesforce.com reserves the right to block a customer’s access to their data in the event of a commercial dispute. 
  8. Outside of any dispute, it is generally difficult to get customer data out of Salesforce.com in any meaningful format unless you have the Professional or Enterprise Editions.
  9. Apart from the very largest organizations, Salesforce.com customers do not benefit from any service level agreement in relation to the availability of their application. They have no recourse in the event of service outages.

In conclusion:

ACT! is easy to use and provides a simple pricing structure so there are no nasty surprises down the line. Before signing up with Salesforce.com, know what you’re committing to and get it in writing.  ACT! customers benefit from a low total cost of ownership with most paying the equivalent of between $20 and $30 per user per month over the lifetime of the solution.  I am happy to speak with you about how CRM and specifically ACT! can help your business.  Just click here to contact me.

1  Comparison based on 20 users of ACT! 2010 Corporate with annual ACT! Platinum Care software maintenance with $3,000 of implementation services versus Salesforce.com Professional edition as of 8/26/2009.

2  ACT! E-Marketing powered by Swiftpage is a monthly subscription service.  I am a Swiftpage Gold Drip Marketing consultant and help businesses turn their ACT! database in to a money making machine with this software solution.  Monthly pricing is available for review by clicking here.

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